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Background: Alternative energy is one of the buzz words of our time.  In some people's minds it's just that -- a buzz word based more on hype than reality.  To find out how real alternative energy is to New York's future, we interviewed Carol Murphy, executive director of the Alliance for Clean Energy New York.

 

Q:  When was ACE NY formed and what is its mission?

A:  The Alliance for Clean Energy New York (ACE NY) is a non-profit organization founded in 2006, whose mission is to promote the use of clean, renewable electricity technologies and energy efficiency in New York State in order to increase energy diversity and security, boost economic development, improve public health, and reduce air pollution.  Members of the Alliance for Clean Energy New York(ACE NY) include private companies that produce or sell renewable energy technologies or energy efficiency services in New York and non-profit environmental, public health and consumer advocacy organizations, and educational institutions.


Q: How does ACENY feel about the Legislature's proposal to create a new board to formulate an energy policy for NYS?  Don't we already have enough oversite with the Public Service Commission?

A: ACE NY strongly supports the statutory reauthorization of a State Energy Planning Board to coordinate and oversee New York's overall energy policy. Governor Paterson's Executive Order 2 convened a Planning Board because the statute for the State Energy Planning Board sunset at the end of 2002, along with the state's Electric Generating Siting Board, which provided one-stop permitting and approval of power generating plants over 80 MW.

The Public Service Commission has jurisdiction over a relatively narrow sector of the energy industry - the investor-owned gas and electric utilities, water, telecommunications and cable companies. The Planning Board has much broader representation and looks at New York's energy picture holistically. The issues of energy efficiency, renewable energy, transportation, climate change, economic development, health and environmental justice are examples of areas that the State Energy Planning Board will address.

 

Q: The small business community in New York ranks energy costs among their greatest concerns.  High energy costs put New York at a competitive disadvantage in attracting and retaining manufacturing and other businesses.  How does the green energy platform advocated by ACE NY addresss this issue particularly in the short run when New York is in danger of losing thousands of additional jobs?

A: Green energy can actually decrease energy costs to all customers, including small businesses in several ways. Overall, by having renewable energy like hydro and wind farms supply power to New York's competitive wholesale power markets, they displace more expensive and polluting fossil fuel plants. Recent legislative testimony filed by the New York Independent System Operator (NYISO) which operates the transmission grid and administers the electricity markets, stated that for every 1,000 megawatts of wind energy on the system, consumers save $300 million in wholesale energy costs. 

Individual customers can benefit directly from renewable resources by installing wind or solar panels at their home, business, school, municipal building or non-profit organization. In 2008, ACE NY members and our environmental allies successfully lobbied for a change in the net metering law. In addition to the existing law allowing residential customers to benefit from this green energy investment, now all customer classes can install wind or solar up to 2 megawatts and "net meter" or spin the meter backwards on their electricity bill when they produce more power than they need. Rebates that are available from New York State and now additional federal tax credits for small wind and solar make this a real energy savings for customers while helping  to strengthen the local utility power grid.

 

Q: One of the more controversial areas of the alternative energy discussion is wind energy.  Questions have been raised about whether wind energy is appropriate for NYS. In particular some people question whether conditions are conducive to producing a sufficient amount of reliable energy to justify the cost?  Other people question the environmental impact of placing wind turbines in New York -- both from a scenic viewpoint and also the potential impact on wild life.

A: The question that really should be asked, is continued reliance on polluting fossil fuels and nuclear reactors appropriate for New York State? Wind and other sources of renewable energy offer real benefits to public health and the environment versus the alternatives of fossil and nuclear fuel resources which produce harmful air pollutants, mercury contamination, greenhouse gasses and long-lived radioactive waste products. 

In terms of resources, New York is the 15th windiest state in the US and wind projects that are in the interconnection queue could meet about 20 % of our energy needs. Wind energy is now in a range that is competitive with new coal and gas facilities and it is cheaper than nuclear plants in the near term.

Current studies demonstrate that modern wind turbines have relatively little impact on birds and wildlife compared to the threat from cats, buildings, power lines, hunters, vehicles, pesticides and communication towers. Studies are required before a wind project is proposed and both pre-construction and post-construction studies for birds and bats are required.

As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" when it comes to wind farms and the landscape. Many people find them beautiful and a good fit with a rural environment, others do not. Visual simulations help determine what a wind farm would look like from various vantage points, and it is a study that proposed wind farms undertake.


Q: Give us some more concrete numbers for wind: what percentage of New York's energy is provided by wind today and what is the timetable to increase that to 20%?


A: New York has 1,300 MW of wind energy in operation now which is about 5% of New York's energy needs. In 2003, New York received just 48 MW of its power from wind.

It's difficult to say what the timetable is for reaching the 20% figure, since successful project development depends on state policies, incentives and regulations. A key factor that can help New York achieve Governor Paterson's goal of 30% renewable energy by 2015, is a provision in the federal American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) that allows renewable energy projects that begin construction prior to the end of 2010 and begin service by the end of 2012 to qualify for a 30% investment tax credit (ITC) that can be converted into a grant by the U.S. Treasury Department. Because wind and other renewable energy projects tend to have higher capital costs relative to their production than in other parts of the country, the investment tax credit/grant formula favors projects in higher cost states like New York.


Q: Governor Paterson has set a threshold for reliance on alternative energy -- 30 percent by 2015.  Do you think this is achievable and has he raised the bar high enough?  Should we be shooting higher?


A: We can easily achieve the 30%  goal or more by 2015 if New York continues to support the renewable energy programs and incentives. Remember, we started with a base of 19% renewable energy in New York when the RPS program was put into place. So while New York has a very good program, there are other states that have set the bar even higher.

We have talked about the potential for additional energy from wind (land-based and offshore), and there are other renewable resources that are starting to take off in New York. The goal the solar industry has set for itself is 2,000 MW by 2020 and the investment in biomass projects, fuel cells, and tidal/kinetic hydropower are in the beginning stages.


Q: What other alternatives beside wind are appropriate for New York State and what are the impediments for bringing alternatives online?


A: New York is fortunate to have abundant green energy resources like hydropower (including new tidal and kinetic hydro projects) untapped solar, fuel cell and biomass potential. The Governor's Renewable Energy Task Force Report issued in February 2008, provides the best roadmap to achieving greater renewable energy development, energy independence, economic growth, and green collar jobs. The barriers to achieving these goals are identified in the report along with the opportunities. See - http://www.state.ny.us/governor/press/lt_RETFreport.html.

I think a quote from the report's conclusion sums it up the best, "If our society is to begin addressing these critical challenges we face, New York must begin transitioning away from relying on conventional energy sources. Rather we need to adequately educate our citizens to use and accept renewable resources as an integral part of a solution."


Q: Let's talk more about the challenges.  First, is there anything ACE NY would like to see the NYS Legislature address before the end of the 2009 session?


A: ACE NY  has a number of issues we would like the Legislature to consider before the end of session. For example, we would like to see the Legislature re-enact a siting law where the State Energy Siting Board would be responsible for the coordinated permitting and siting of all power plants in New York. Since the law sunset at the end of 2002, the permitting and review process is fragmented among various state agencies and local government. A one-stop, technology neutral review process brings more time certainty to project development, a greater level of coordination and standard of review amongst permitting agencies, a consideration of environmental justice issues, and intervenor funding for stakeholders.

We also think it's critical that a flaw in last year's net metering law be fixed. The law was expanded in 2008 to allow all utility customers, such as schools, small business, and non-profits, to receive the full benefits of the power they produce when they"spin their utility meter" backwards through their investment in solar, wind or anerobic digester technology. 

In formulating the regulations, the Public Service Commission and utilities have created a situation where these customers are being told they either can not net meter or are limited to a size far below what is needed to meet their energy needs and what was stated in the law. The very people the Legislature and Governor intended to help are being hurt by this interpretation. It is a critical issue that must be immediately corrected and we are working with the Senate and Assembly Energy Chairmen to do so.


Q:   Has the budget impacted NYSERDA -- the state agency that plays a lead role in implementing the state's energy programs?


A: Fortunately, NYSERDA's budget and the  programs it administers like the Renewable Portfolio Standards, were not impacted by the state budget. We fought hard to keep these programs and funding intact so that renewable energy and green jobs can continue to grow in New York.


Q:  Final question: What role can the average citizen play in advancing the cause of green energy?


A: The average citizen is already playing a very important role through their own actions such as; switching to more efficient light bulbs, appliances and smart thermostats, investing in solar panels and solar hot water, and by purchasing green energy for their homes and businesses. Many citizens are urging their local governments to examine the sustainability of their community's energy and fuel use.

2 Responses to “Interview with Carol Murphy, Alliance for Clean Energy”

  1. Jack Sullivan Says:
    Re: Interview with Carol Murphy We must be careful of a State Energy Planning board which would in effect usurp NY's "Home Rule" provisions. Wind power from 2 NNY projects sold for much more last year than either hydro or nuclear both emission free . Nuclear power is statistically safer than wind and waste is being effectively recycled in France and Japan.It would take over 8000 upstate wind turbines occupying nearly 500,000 acres to equal the output of Oswego's 9 mile point and the output would be erratic and unpredictable While NY is the 15th most windy state this is misleading since it has only 2% of the wind potential of the leading state and most of NY's best sites are offshore. NY currently has about 1300 MW installed wind capacity, which Ms. Murpy says is 5% NY demand actually it is less than that in summer and since upstate projects have been running at 20% of installed capacity the actual output is closer to 1% of demand. New Yorkers should be advised that the wind developers goal is 20,000 or so giant turbines upstate running not to produce clean power but to produce green cash for owners and developers in the form of tax credits and subsidies.
  2. Charles King Says:
    I am a small business owner with lots of potential.I am currently in the process of turning the average home that is generated by the local power company into a home that is powered by wind.I currently have wind turbines available that would power upto 900kwh per month.Energizing at a minimal of 5-10 mph winds,thus for powering the home entirely...I do this because i love the place we call home,not for the profit...well some profit.We need to be winged off of forein oil and taught to be more responsible of the only place we have to survive...Earth...'PUBLISH IF THIS STRIKES YOU AS RIGHT,YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION

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